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Good tracks for a baseline setup?
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Posted by Josh Van Cleef at 03:18 PM on Jul 07, 2008
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Can anyone recommend a good track or two that's useful for establishing a baseline setup? Ideally one that's in both GTR and rFactor since I use both. To me, it'd be a track that

a) is fairly easy to learn and be consistent.
b) is fairly short. Nothing like testing at Le Mans- 7 minutes to figure out if your new setup will help in the esses. 90 seconds or less in a nGT would be nice.
c) has a good mix of features to use for that baseline
d) has been raced on once or a few times, so there's some idea of what fast people can do on it.

I just finished two pretty awful races at Oscher, and I really need to find a place where I can refine my own baseline setup. A "home track" so to speak, where I can learn new cars and get comfortable and theoretically fast in them.

Posted by Tolga Incekaraoglu at 03:28 PM on Jul 07, 2008
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For standard tracks, i advise estoril. Its a good mix of slow, very slow and mid speed turns with long straights and i like it, but a bit long for what u want it seems :)

Plus i dont think that theres a baseline setup. Each track has its own specilities. A setup u use for brno will be useless in for example oscher or dubai. So u should make setups for every track. Im not a setup expert though i might be wrong :)

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Posted by Janko Glavac at 05:15 PM on Jul 07, 2008
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nords!

Posted by Steve Wood at 10:12 PM on Jul 07, 2008
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Unfortunately, I don't think either of those tracks is in both GTR2 and rFactor...at least not official tracks.

If you follow Formula 1 then you will know that Barcelona is where many teams do their winter testing...and it's available in both GTR2 and rFactor, but it's not exactly the same. There's also Manza in GTR2 which is the same as Brianza in rFactor...a closer match than Barcelona, but I don't know of any real life teams that use it for testing.

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Posted by Conor McCarrell at 01:59 AM on Jul 08, 2008
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Not too many tracks are shared between the two games, at least, not officially. Barcelona would be the best bet although, like Steve says, they are quite different from each other. ISI's version is a newer layout and its evaluation changes are a bit different compared to its GTR counterpart.

Besides that, Barcelona is a well rounded track in terms in covering aspects that you could see at other tracks which could help with a base setup. Its got a nice long straight with a good combination of slow and faster corners. Not to mention it doesn't have a whole lot of grip so you'll really have to work at the mechanical grip of the car which is a necessity at every track.

Posted by Steve Wood at 01:36 AM on Jul 09, 2008
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Yeah especially turn 3 which is a fast corner that requires a good wing balance, then turn 4 is a perfect mid speed corner, turn 5 which is a great hairpin...lot's of good stuff on barcelona

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Posted by Ryan Ansoon at 01:55 AM on Jul 09, 2008
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suzuka has it all but may be a bit longer than 90 secs.

Posted by Francesco Zargani at 06:04 AM on Jul 09, 2008
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I have to agree with Ryan: Suzuka is an excellent test track overall (hope to see it in some of my series here at R2P one day). Not short though and it has some personality traits that make it unique, but it has a bit of everything (as a matter of fact I think it was born as Honda test track).
Josh, if I may throw my two cents-- I used to work with one track/baseline approach and it can still work: most mods will demand only tweaks to a setup. However, what I found is that nothing beats developing a car for a specific track. Minor tweaks on a baseline setup work, but it's easy (at least for me) to sort of accept the setup as is with minor modifications and just live with it. What I have discovered is that nothing beats developing a car for the track. Oscherbadheadache is a perfect example: that track is designed by a kart track designer who's had too many red bulls-- nothing will match track time and developing a car for *that* track.

Posted by Josh Van Cleef at 06:47 AM on Jul 09, 2008
Post #9

Thanks everyone. I definitely try to get adjusted to each track, but sometimes it's nice to have something predictable to fall back on. Oscher was the first track I ran in GTR2- been playing rFactor up to this point.

I tried a couple of the tracks suggested and they do seem like a good fit. But I found myself just going back to Sepang anyway to work on learning that for the next races.

Posted by Jon Weal at 06:52 AM on Jul 09, 2008
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I think the logical explanation should be that you need to develop a good base setup on a circuit that you are comfortable with and know how to drive competently. Personally, I always test a new mod at Silverstone in rF (I rarely use GTR2) and try to develop a setup for the car that gives consistent results.

Every time I then visit a new track I will load my silverstone setup and start my testing with a car that feels familiar. It's then a case of adjusting the gearing, aero and suspension geometry (camber, caster and toe) to get a balanced and confidence inspiring setup. I've used this approach since the Indy 500 in May and I've come on in leaps and bounds pace wise since then.

I'm not going to say that this is the correct way to approach setups but it works for me and I suspect that many of the "aliens" use a similar approach.